] SPEECH: National - Tough on Crime - Rt Hon John Key
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27 May 2007
SPEECH: National - Tough on Crime

National: Tough on Crime
Speech to the Central North Island Regional Conference, Rotorua

It's a real pleasure to be addressing the Central North Island Regional Conference as Leader of the National Party.

It's wonderful to be joined today by eight caucus colleagues from this region, two of whom were new to Parliament at the 2005 election. This line-up is proof that the National Party is in great heart. I am hugely proud to be leading this wonderful party of ours. It's a privilege to be your leader.

The National Party is built on age-tested principles that reflect what is best about New Zealand. We are a party of enterprise; a party of personal freedom and individual responsibility; a party of family; an inclusive party; a party of ambition. We believe in every individual's capacity to shape their own life, and we believe in this great country of ours.

Today, I would like to thank every member and volunteer here who helps make this party strong. In particular, I would like to acknowledge the work of National Party Regional Chair Jo Stuart, and Party President Judy Kirk. The efforts of our members are what keep us vibrant; keep us connected and make us heard. So to you, party members, thank you.

I am excited about what lies ahead for us and I have a crystal clear message for all of you: National is absolutely committed to winning the next election. And the one after that. And the three after that!

We have the drive. We have the fresh ideas. We have the people. And we have more Kiwis behind us than any other party in this country.

Let me tell you, I am determined to lead National to Government in 2008. I am determined to serve all New Zealanders with the strength, the courage and the energy that they deserve.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we must be determined.

The mission before us

A great mission lies before us. New Zealand is at a critical juncture in its history. Big winds are blowing in our direction.

The explosion of the Internet is bringing billions of potential customers within our reach. Our booming and ever-wealthier Asian neighbours are reaching out for new services and new products. People everywhere are seeking safe and green havens in an increasingly unstable and dirty world.

New Zealand is uniquely placed to respond to these global forces. We need to harness the opportunities they bring and ensure every Kiwi can use them to build a better life.

We must act now to give the New Zealanders of tomorrow maximum opportunities, security and choices. These are our children and grandchildren I am talking about. As we have had

the gift of a great country, so must they. That's why I want to lead a National-led Government.

New Zealand has to be more ambitious, more outward-looking, and more responsive than ever before. We need to maximise the contribution of every single New Zealander.

Tragically, Labour is running dial-up policies in a broadband world. To steer this country forward we've got to change tack. We've got to change the crew in Cabinet, and above all – we've got to change the Captain!

National is ready to lead

The National Party is ready to ratchet this country's dreams up a notch.

Our caucus is in cracking shape. I am proud to lead a group of men and women who are experienced, driven, and in tune with everyday New Zealanders.

It was no accident that Labour lost 10 electorate MPs in the last election. Those MPs were booted out because they had lost touch with their voters. New Zealanders chose National MPs to replace them because National MPs can be trusted to listen and work hard for the causes their constituents care about.

This region's representatives are proving that to be true.

    • The Bay of Plenty's Tony Ryall
    • East Coast's Anne Tolley
    • Taranaki-King Country's Shane Ardern
    • Piako's Lindsay Tisch
    • Coromandel's Sandra Goudie
    • Tauranga's Bob Clarkson
    • Hamilton East's David Bennett
    • And, of course, Georgina Te Heuheu

Those MPs have got their teeth into real issues and they've put their hearts into their work. National is lucky to have them. And we're lucky to have a formidable Shadow Cabinet that is taking it to Labour like never before.

While Labour's Ministers spend time asking each other patsy questions our MPs ask the hard questions – the questions that matter. National is a great team. We are firmly united and we are ready to govern this country.

New Zealand wants National

And it's not just me who thinks it. New Zealand thinks it.

For the past six months, I've had the privilege of travelling New Zealand from city to town talking to the people who make our country tick. I've been to places like McGehan Close and met people like Aroha Ireland, a young girl with big dreams for her future. I've milked cows in Horowhenua. I've visited primary schools in Canterbury. I've met with iwi in Ruatoria.

In every one of these places I have found people who are quietly cheering for the National Party. Sure, there are plenty who are loudly backing us, but there's something else happening as well.


Even people who voted for Labour in 2005 are telling me they don't think Clark and Co represent the future of this country.

Kiwis are sensing what I see every time I return to Parliament: Helen Clark has lost her mojo. Turns out she lost her Taito as well. Labour has lost the pulse of the people and it has lost New Zealanders' hearts. 'Third -term- itis' has well and truly sunk in. It's up to National to ensure this 'third -term- itis' is terminal.

Labour's attempt to blame every problem and crisis on past governments has lost credibility. They have had nearly eight years, a fair shot by any definition. Sure, Clark and her crew are experienced now. But is it good experience? No, it's not. The bulk of Labour's so-called experience is in the dark arts of ducking for cover and shirking responsibility.

New Zealanders are impatient for fresh thinking. That's' why they're looking to National.

The National Party will win the next election because people can trust us to stand up for their aspirations. National will applaud ambition, we'll back everyday Kiwis, and we'll stand up for the things that matter.

The three 'Es'

In the lead-up to election 2008, National will announce policies that flesh out our vision for a better New Zealand.

There are three themes that I will keep coming back to as I lay out my vision: the economy, education and the environment. I will keep coming back to those three 'Es' because they are the things that I think will be vital to New Zealand's success in our rapidly changing world.

The first 'E' is the economy. National will emphasise this theme because we are committed to delivering New Zealanders the fruits of a wealthier country. Make no mistake – Labour's policies are seeing us fall further and further behind the rest of the world. The recent Budget did absolutely nothing to alleviate that slide.

Michael Cullen has given up on growing our economy, instead he's preparing for retirement: Labour's retirement.

Well, National is a lot more ambitious than that. We think Kiwis deserve higher wages and lower taxes during their working lives, as well as a good retirement. That's why we will pursue economic policies and infrastructure development that will keep New Zealand competitive on the world stage. Make no mistake – Bill English's first Budget will include tax cuts.

The second "E" is education. There's no doubt that New Zealand's future growth will require a better-educated workforce.

At a bare minimum, we need to do something about the one-in-five children who are failing at school. That's why, in a speech last month, I announced our policy of setting national standards in reading, writing and maths – requiring all primary schools to test kids against those standards and ensuring the results are reported to parents.

Labour has rejected this idea. They think it's cruel to measure achievement and highlight failure. I'll tell you what I think is cruel – robbing struggling kids of a future by turning a blind eye to their troubles. That's what's really cruel.

Over the next few months you can look forward to more education announcements, including how National plans to fix the mess of the NCEA.

Finally, we come to the third 'E', the environment.

National won't sit back and let the political Left act as if it has a monopoly on environmental policies.

New Zealand's clean green environment is vital to our unique Kiwi lifestyle, and National is committed to preserving that lifestyle for future generations. Our environment is also vital to the clean green brand that New Zealand sells to the world.

In the years ahead, global consumers will look closely at our brand through the lens of climate change. Consumers will demand not just "green" products but climate-friendly products. National is committed to positioning New Zealand to turn that demand into a great opportunity.

That's why last week we announced our '50 by 50' climate-change target and a series of measures for achieving that target. This target is comparable with targets being set by other developed nations and it makes sense for New Zealand's agriculture-intensive economy.

So those are the three 'Es': the economy; education; and the environment. They are the things that, done better, will help ratchet New Zealand up a notch.

Rest assured that they are not the only issues National will concern itself with. We aren't going to make rash promises to do everything for everyone – most of the time Kiwis don't want the Government poking its nose into their lives. But there are some things that we think a Government must do and that Labour is failing to get right.

Law and Order

Today I'd like to spend some time talking about one such area – law and order. This is an area where, even measured by its own yardstick, Labour has failed.

Labour came to power saying it would be tough on crime, and tough on the causes of crime.

Well, Labour should ask Karl Kuchenbecker's family if they think they've lived up to that promise. Karl Kuchenbecker – a good man, a father of two young boys – was killed by a man on parole.

He was killed by a brutal man who police wanted back in prison. He was killed by a man who should have been locked up for life.

I'll tell you what I think about that. I think a Government responsible for a tragedy of that magnitude has well and truly lost the right to call itself tough on crime. A Government I lead will not put up with that.

Under my watch the worst offenders – the repeat violent offenders like Graham Burton – will not get parole. National will make sure our sentencing and parole laws are focused on keeping the public safe.

But that's not the only part of law and order that National will get tough on. There is more to being tough on crime than locking people up. We need to look at the big picture here.

As I said in my speech at the Burnside Rugby Club earlier this year, when I talk to New Zealanders they tell me they are worried. They are worried about the growing number of LA-style gangs; worried about teenagers tagging their neighbourhoods; and worried about bullies threatening the communities in which they used to feel safe.

They are right to be worried. Criminals are committing more violent offences in New Zealand than ever before. The number of robberies, grievous assaults and abductions are climbing. There were 11,000 more of these violent offences last year than there were in the year Labour came to power.

If those numbers don't mean much to you, consider this: there's now a violent offence in New Zealand every 10 minutes.

So what can we do about it? I'll tell you what – we can do a lot more than Labour is doing. We must do a lot more than Labour is doing.

We can tackle crime in a number of areas:

  • We can work to prevent young people embarking on a life of crime.
  • We can crack down on thugs who are getting away with criminal behaviour.
  • We can do a better job of respecting victims' rights.
  • And we can clean up our prisons.

Later this year, National will be releasing a law and order discussion paper which will propose sound policies in each of these areas. Today I'm going to give you the outline of our approach.

Prevention

I want to make one thing clear. I don't make excuses for criminal behaviour because I believe every individual is responsible for their actions and must be held accountable for them.

Not all criminals come from deprived families and not all deprived families breed criminals. But the truth is we've got a growing underclass in this country. Helen Clark can deny it all she likes, but the vast majority of Kiwis agree with me.

We need to be honest and acknowledge there are certain factors that make it more likely that people will become criminals. We need to do what we can as a country to eliminate those factors.

Some of this stuff is pretty commonsense, but Labour just isn't doing it right. Labour has been soft on crime and soft on the causes of crime.

We need to start at the formative year of people's lives. We need to give all kids a decent education – and that includes making sure they turn up to school in the first place. Under Labour, around 32,000 kids are playing hooky in any given school week.

Kids need to have some meaning in their lives or there is a high risk they will go off the tracks and end up on drugs and in a gang. I've visited plenty of community groups this year that are doing a great job of turning lives around – one by one, little by little.

National will turbo-charge the efforts of those groups, not just sit in an ivory tower coming up with government scheme after government scheme. That's why in recent months I've announced a series of policies to back charities and the voluntary sector.

National will work hard to get people off the conveyor belt of crime.


Enforcement

We will also crack down on those who are already committing crime.

National will not expect any community to put up with violence and anti-social behaviour. Giving Kiwis security requires plenty of police on the beat for sure, but it's also about giving police the right priorities.

As it is, police are required to spend too much time collecting revenue from speeding tickets and not enough time on the beat. That's not the fault of the police – that's the Government's fault. Clark and Cullen are so used to siphoning money from your pockets that they expect the police to do it for them as well. I'm not advocating speeding – people should obey the speed limit. But when it comes to police time and effort it's a question of priorities.

Don't just think, though, that the responsibility for rejecting criminal behaviour falls solely on the police. Ordinary New Zealanders, politicians and government agencies have an important role to play.

Let me tell you a story that illustrates this.

In Auckland's Mt Albert there's a street called Range View Road. Range View Road is home to some good families trying to raise their children well. It's also home to violent youth gangs. Those gangs have been terrorising the street for months – aggravated robberies, drugged-up people on 'P', and threatening behaviour had become common-place.

Things got so bad that this month the police warned Aucklanders to avoid visiting Range View Road altogether. If people can't visit that street for fear of harm, imagine what it's like to live there?

Most of the Range View Road troublemakers were living in one Housing New Zealand, Government-owned, property. The residents knew it and the police knew it. So one good resident said enough was enough and phoned her local MP. She waited one week, two weeks, three weeks, four weeks – and her local MP didn't do a thing.

Then the story hit the papers. Suddenly, Housing New Zealand evicted the offending tenants. And the local MP, one Miss Helen Clark, spoke about how appalled she was about the misery those tenants had inflicted on their neighbours.

So I ask you: Why did it take our Prime Minister so long to act? Why, when there are thousands of people waiting for houses, should Housing NZ put a roof over the head of people who use that roof to engage in criminal activity? Clark may offer excuses but I say this: Not on my watch.

National will do better at preventing crime and we will do better at cracking down on criminals.

Victim's rights

We also have a different approach to Labour when it comes to respecting victims.

It makes me sick to see how some victims of crime are pulled through the wringer while every bit of assistance is given to criminals.

In July last year, not far from here, Whetu Te Hiko murdered 66-year-old Lois Dear in the Tokoroa school classroom in which she had taught hundreds of young children. Te Hiko's horrific crime shattered lives, terrorised a community and appalled a country.

So it's no surprise that Lois's son hopes that Te Hiko suffers in jail. I can understand that. What I can't understand is why Mr McNeil was asked to tone down that message when he spoke to the courts. What is fair or just about that?

Justice must be served, but it's not served by removing victims' rights to speak the truth about the horror a criminal has put them through.

Where there is a balancing of rights to be done between criminals and victims, and where there is doubt about what action should be taken, I will take a side. And that side will be the side of the victim. I would much rather be the Victims' Watchdog than the Minister for Criminal Sensitivities. I care how victims feel, not how criminals feel.

Finally, National intends to take a very different approach from Labour in the way we run New Zealand's prisons.

Prison should be tough. Prisoners shouldn't be waltzing around on the heated floors of the Milton Hilton, high on 'P' or cannabis, playing Playstations, watching blue movies and texting on cell phones. Prisoners should be focused on the stern tasks of getting off drugs and booze and developing the skills to lead a non-criminal life.


So why has Lois Dear's son been getting threatening phone calls from people who are behind bars? Prisoners shouldn't be using cell phones to harass victims. They shouldn't be using cell phones – full stop.

They shouldn't be using drugs, either. Our prison service is so lax under Labour that prisoners can get their hands on pretty much whatever goodies they please. Things have gotten so bad that in recent weeks 20 prison guards have been suspended for corrupt behaviour.

Meanwhile, it has been clear that not enough prisoners are being put through the kind of courses that might help break the cycle of crime.

Sure, it's expensive to provide more of these courses, but the money can be found if the priorities are right. Labour has spent $11 million landscaping new prisons. For $11 million we could put 2,200 inmates through a drug treatment programme to help get them off 'P'.

Something is very, very wrong in our prison system. National's Justice Spokesman, Simon Power, has called for new leadership and I back him 100% in that call. I also back his efforts to get an inquiry into how far the rot has spread. I challenge Helen Clark to tell me why the public don't deserve that.

A Government I lead will have firm policies in law and order and we will respect the rights of victims. From McGehan Close, to Range View Road, to the Milton Hilton – from preventing crime, to policing crime, to punishing crime – National must do better than Labour is doing. And we will.

Yesterday's gone

Before I leave you today, let me sound a warning. The National Party is up against a desperate, dying Government.

As Labour becomes panicked about the prospect of leaving office, you can expect them to resort to a cynical game.

There may well be big spending promises and there may well be unfounded accusations against National. But in the end, Helen Clark will resort to what she knows. And what she knows are the battles of the 1980s and '90s.

National must not be tempted to engage in those never-ending debates. Kiwis don't want to resurrect the mothballed decisions of history. We owe a debt to those who came before us, but we do not honour them by re-entering the battles that have already been won and lost.

We must not allow Helen Clark to dress our new national conversation in the dated clothes of yesterday.

We are in a new century and a new millennium, with different and more complex challenges. The debates that Clark cut her political teeth on are over.

The next election will not be a choice between where we are and where we've been. The next election will be about where we go next.

It's time to turn the page. I'm impatient for tomorrow – New Zealand is impatient for tomorrow.

A new generation is ready to take the helm. It's time to put National on board and welcome the winds of change. Only National has the vision. Only National has the energy. Only National can map out the future this country deserves.

Ladies and gentlemen, my fellow National Party members, there is plenty of work to do. Strong tides have brought us here; and there are stronger tides to come; get yourselves ready, we're going to need all hands on deck.

Thank you.


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#1 - Andrew Atkin 2007-05-29 14:55 - (Reply)

I appreciated your speech, John. Some hopefully constructive comments: -You say not all criminals come from deprived families. If we class 'average' as non-deprived then I agree; but the truth is, I believe, that even a typical Mum and Dad does a lot of damage to their children, and in ways that they don't usually understand. My point is I don't think there's such thing as a non-damaged (from childhood) criminal - virtually everyone has at least some neurosis, and I feel quite certain that the average level of neurosis is still *very* significant. I doubt that a fully "humanised" (non-damaged) individual would ever resort to serious crime, unless they were truly desperate so it was rational for them to do so. In turn, I think that one of the best things we can do to cut back on crime (and many other problems for that matter) is to almost religiously focus on optimising care for young children, especially between conception and the first few months of life. Infantile damage in particular shouldn't be under-estimated in its significance - that's the same stuff that leads to serious depression, incessant compulsions, night-terrors and psychotic episodes etc. -We should also reintroduce proven intensive-phonics into schools. This way [otherwise] illiterates don't have to see crime as the only way that they can make a living above the minimum wage. -I also notice NZ First wants to employ military-type training for problematic criminals. There's something about that idea that I don't like. I think people should be allowed to develop true self-discipline - not just adjustment to discipline from others. I get the feeling that the former would be more reliable for sustained behavioural-improvement, and facilitate greater self-respect in offenders. Do prisons have programmes and facilities that give inmates the chance to directly take control of themselves (i.e. non externally-regulated development and adjustment) and their own lives? I think this is something that should be looked at too. To say - I thought you did extremely well on C_live. You're extremely good at handling youself when responding to questions!

#2 - Mohammed hassan presdient New Zealand Muslim League Hamilton 2007-06-01 21:30 - (Reply)

I always read the speaches posted to me via email. You are on the right directions. one of the key issue in this election which labour gains is immigration, please do not touch immigration now as this mistake Don made. When time time is right that is when we should gently touch on immigration. This is an open forum so I can not write more as this could pose a problem Secondly national has not taken the mater about Philip Fieldbecause the Minister in charge or involved is equally responsible. I can provide number of genenuine case whaere the the same minister said he does not want to interfer with the immigration how come he used his power and approved the visa when he knows that this is wrong. The minster should resign immidiately. I will provide ore issues on otherthings that can be brought in the parliament. thanks

#3 - Tracy M. Henderson 2007-06-01 22:52 - (Reply)

Why is a man (supposedly) who is charged with the deaths of two small children allowed on Bail .???? Sure he has not been through the Court Trial- but surely the crime and his part in it requires that he be kept locked up.!!! Fully support the 'No Phone 'concept.

#4 - Philip Sulikosky 2007-06-02 07:26 - (Reply)

I wish to respond to the speech on crime. I hope we can get past the political auction that occurs over this issue where each political party vies with the other to see who can waste the most money using a “lockem up and throw away the key” strategy that is bound to fail. I say bound to fail because (1) it costs a huge amount of money to “lockem up” and I would rather see that money spent on productive things like improving access to education. (2) They have to come out some time and if they come out with no prospects, no real rehabilitation why are we surprised when they end up back inside having caused some damage in society in the mean time? I was very shocked and saddened to learn that an employee of mine was to go to jail. His main problem was drunkenness and drug taking, and the things he did while under the influence. What stunned me over the whole affair was his defence lawyer telling me that he would be unlikely to get any help for his addiction problem while in jail. (“What planet was I on he asked?") So we are spending what $50K (?) a year on this guy keeping him locked up? And it’s not worth spending another 5K (yes I’m guessing) to really try and help him to get sorted while he is in there? Because he will come out, angry this time, better trained in evading the law with no prospects and the first thing he will want to spend is $ that he gets on release on will be to get really smashed. So I am advocating; (1) Of course an emphasis on not getting into the system in the first place. (2) An emphasis on assessing who prospects for rehabilitation and comprehensively trying to help them, whatever the short term cost it will cost society much less in the long run. (3) A re-emphasis on crime fighting to what works rather than what sounds good at election time. Problem here is that I think the polleez think we are all too dim witted for this approach. (4) *An exit plan*, i.e. back to employment and community life with a saleable skill, and appropriate incentives and assistance for employers to take the risk. I’m not saying any of this is easy, but what I see happening now is just plain stupidity, and it’s not working. So please don’t offer us more of the same but just tougher than the last guys,

#5 - Peter Burns 2007-06-02 08:00 - (Reply)

Hi John , " It will include innovative crime-fighting strategies that confront the underlying problems in our communities." This is good news and police are doing the same thing at present and I will be sending them my ideas, as I believe I can help in the area in early intervention of crime situations especially where domestic violence is prominent. I propose to offer a caring and kind service that worked to help solve the dispute by providing the appropriate authorities with a truthful overview of all circumstances that could eliminate stress for any children involved. Children must not become victims of irrational adult behaviour, as they are our Nations assets and they must be protected and nurtured by responsible parents. I work with both police and cyfs at the moment and I arrange a step back –look at all angle approach and it is far better for the children than the status quo adversarial judicial system. I have been written into several judges minutes and they have thanked me for my honest submission’s that have helped them adjudicate on several high, criminal and family court matters in these jurisdictions. Lawyers and psychologists detest me and the feeling is mutual, however I am more than a match for them in the Courtroom I can assure you, just ask Crown Law if you don’t believe me. My personal ethics, respect and admiration for fair justice are somewhat different to the dad4justice blogger who gives them hell on the Internet. Anyway not here for suck an ego, here to state, please think of promoting the good idea of early intervention services that don’t take no tricky agenda business, you know just honest people thinking of the kids, who can work to a meeting of the minds to solve the problems. Nip it in the bud real quickly, save taxpayer a lot of money and make society a much happier place, ask the children if you don’t believe me. We don’t want sad kids –eh? A fair and honest early intervention service that provides positive energy trying to glue the family back together again by providing practical advise (Mc Kenzie Friend, Counselling Service etc.) is worthy of consideration.

#6 - Jim Findlay 2007-06-02 08:04 - (Reply)

There is litle that can be done while we have so much corruption in the police force and a compliant Judicary.

#6.1 - Stuart Robertson 2007-06-02 12:38 - (Reply)

You are a well informed man. I am a victim of Police corruption and Judicial incompetence, and it is not a nice place to be. We will never fix crime at any level while those responsible for preventing it are not doing their job properly. Judges that believe Police are honest, Lawyers acting imorally and Politicians knowingly bending the rules. Lets fix our own mis-conduct first from the top down !

#7 - Roland Green 2007-06-02 08:09 - (Reply)

You have emphasized the three E's, Economy, Education and Environment in your speech. All extremely important, but each without a fourth "E" can become a sterile blight on our wellbeing as individuals and society. I refer to 'ETHICS'. An ethical approach to developing an economy, education and environment is of paramount importance. Ethics has the underpinning effect. A failure to apply ethics has the opposite effect. Take ethics away and we take away a foundational base. My thesaurus tells me that ethics is synonymous with principles, morals, beliefs, moral principles, moral values and moral codes. Considering all and each of these synonyms builds a very good picture of the cohesive importance of ethics. And of course, a picture of a disfunctional and fragmented situations, tending towards disasterous, where ethics are lacking. In your interview with John Campbell, you said you were not religious nor that you atended Church. I respect that. In spite of your views on these matters, I'm pleased to note that your public profile presents a manner that exudes ethics. I am a Christian and I do attend Church meetings and am unashamed to say that. Furthermore, my view of ethics is shaped by my faith, as I believe that our society here in New Zealand has been shaped by the Christian influences so passionately brought to the antipodes. It is my hope that the future of New Zealand will continue to be influenced by sound Biblical Christian principles. Your views on the family are pleasing to hear. The role of the family, as a living cell and mainstay of a cohesive functioning society must be tirelessly emphasised. Part of my volunteer work takes me to a local Intermediate School as a School Chaplain. On an ever increasing scale I'm seeing the effects on children as a result of family breakdowns. I'm convinced that many of these breakdowns are caused by a failure to apply ethics in relationships in the family. Parents are responsible for injecting sound ethics. Governments must be there to support parents in this. Not by just throwing money at it, but by example. I sincerely hope that one small outcome from a change of Government will be assistance in reinforcing the value of ethically strong, healthy families in our society. If a Government, as the highest order in our society, is not applying ethics in conducting it's business then what else can we expect further down the food chain. The result is that those of us as bottom feeders are served up a diet of crumbs. Your leadership has brought a refreshing face to a party that can now be seen as an alternative to the social engineering manifesto of a compendium of outdated socialists. Best wishes. Roland Green.

#8 - Martin Harriman 2007-06-02 08:25 - (Reply)

The next time that woman refers to your honeymoon period do point out to her that she faces imminent divorce from the electorate. All power to your elbow (pun intended) you really have them on the back foot on this and the Minister is one of the weakest links. You relly are doing very well indeed. Martin Harriman

#9 - Don Jones said:
2007-06-02 09:56 - (Reply)

There must be a degree of satisfaction in setting the Government policy whilst operating in opposition. Unfortunately it may also prolong the time it takes to have a change of government. Don Jones.

#9.1 - RN Newman 2007-06-06 12:05 - (Reply)

I agree - it seems as though Clark & co have benefitted from National's policy awareness and development, but surely it won't last. It must be clear that Clark is responding to 'top of the media' issues without getting any real grip on what's causing them. I don't see Clark leading Labour into the next election. Rather I see her grinding the whole place to a standstill while she sorts out her next job and works out her exit strategy. No doubt she's taking a keen interest in how Blair is handing over the reigns so he can legitimately claim to be 'undefeated' in the polls. There can be little other rationale behind Clark's inability and / or unwillingness to tackle any of the major issues which have developed on her (successive) watches. It's time for much more than a change - it's actually time for someone to take a lead on all these issues, and not just 'farm the polls'.

#10 - Kathy Laugesen 2007-06-02 10:13 - (Reply)

The discussion that has been going on among our friends and ourselves about New Zealand and crime is: We do not punish our prisoners when they go to jail. It seems that life there is better than at home sometimes. There was a general consensus that when one goes to prison one should lose all rights as part of ones punishment. You are a criminal. This business that has been going on where prisoners have been able to claim compensation for a bit of rough treatment is outrageous. No prison officers do not need to be unneccesarily nasty as the odd one may have been, and yes reprimand the prison officer but the prisoner can be told to behave and it will not happen again. Speaking to people in other countries about our politians, government etc, they laugh at New Zealand and find us a little pathetic. These people live in Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Australia and Americans. They are not kiwis. Yours sincerely Kathy Laugesen

#11 - Greg Thomas 2007-06-02 11:54 - (Reply)

Thank you for the up-dates etc. We are appalled at the way the Police act and the courts determine penalties. We see far too often lenient panalties awarded for serious infractions especially in the case of child abuse and murders. In as much as I never agreed with the new smacking legislation I do advocate in not hitting children at all, but I do object being dictated what I can do and can't. We have more serious issues that are never talked about is the way we NZérs feel about how Labour are screwing up the country. We have been hounded with bad law making, laws we don't want. I can't wait till Labour loses their weak throat hold over our good nation. They think they are so smug in dictating to us, telling us how we must live. Well look at all the Kiwi's leaving New Zealand because of them. I have lost my brother who was a stable deddicated kiwi with years in the Police and St John's ambulance, 30 years in the same job uproot his life to get away from Labour's patheric hold on the nation. My best friend, and entrepeneur, sold all his properties, closed his business of some 20 years and relocated to Brisbane, and is much happier for it. Now it has come to the end of the tether for myself where I am contemplating leaving NZ for a better futre elsewhere, our politicians are just so pathetic. First of all, we have too many politicians to run this small country, we need no more than about 20. There is no room for seperate ethnic parties, NZ is one, where as the Maori practice reverse aparthied and segregation. I am also sick and tired of Maori claims to a treaty made by a government that don't represent NZérs at all. NZ is for all NZ'ers. There are no claims to land titles. There are so many issues that need attention, some serious issues as the social system needs overhauling and de-apartheiding. We need to drop altogther doles and single mother benefits. Where does it day anywhere that a NZ female get's a free ride jsut because they have children. Like all countries family comes in to assist and mothers must work. All delicate but applicable. Mr Key's go for it, oust Labour the scurge of NZ. Regards, Greg Thomas

#12 - Rex Billington 2007-06-02 13:16 - (Reply)

Dear John, Crime -I agree to your statements about cleaning up prisons. Prisoners now have rights far in excess of what they should have. Have the justice system sort out and send to prisons those who need to be locked up, but have the system punish the corporate commercial prisoner in other more meaningful ways than prisons. Some judges seem to be in another world too. Clean up the gangs in prisons and even more importantly clean up the gangs outside prisons who are recruiting youth and terrorizing communities. I regard the first priority for my taxes is security; not anti smacking, not military security but individual, family and community security against violent people and crime. We need more quality policemen "on the street" immediately as well as social and economic disincentives for the willful creation of single parent families in the long term. They are the breeding ground for delinquency and crime. Education - I believe there should be greater attention paid by schools to the moral development of children as well as the 3 Rs. But, the tertiary education sector has also lost direction by neglecting technical and tradesmen training. The emphasis should be with the polytechnics and apprenticeship training in modern trades and applied technology. NZ Universities are largely unresponsive in these needs and are making little difference to the economy. The national party should also seek out quality political candidates. Some candidates are just not credible. They don't have proven success in some relevant field before being adopted as candidates. Candidates do not need to have to be all similar in personality, the same dress code and education. But they do need to be articulate, inspirational and bloody good listeners, in order to truly represent of the people in the spirit of democracy. Keep up the good work.

#13 - Way ne Grattan 2007-06-02 13:30 - (Reply)

Deal with crime - a big part of the current problem/issue is slow uncertain response by law enforcement agencies -police response is woefullly slow - they have the wrong skill sets in many cases (go to the police station and get a one fingered typist on a statement) and the courts are even worse - seriously costly and seriously slow - pathetic really, with the final straw being inept enforcement of fines and reparation orders - these are system issues not lack of resources - mostly poor organisation rgds

#14 - Kevin Owen said:
2007-06-02 18:13 - (Reply)

[So what can we do about it? I'll tell you what – we can do a lot more than Labour is doing. We must do a lot more than Labour is doing.] Labour has probably done allot to reduce crime, its just a pity none of what they did had any workability, hence the continuing 85% reoffending rate and rise in violent crime etc. There is an old saying, "When you put criminals in charge of crime, the crime rate rises" One problem for national will be, will they use the same dead beats [advisors] that labour and 30yrs of governments before them used to advise them on how to handle crime. Governments change but these so called experts with their long standing 85% failure rate, continue to advise every minister that fills the new position. I've listened to Simon Power on what he might do to solve crime and he also has no idea on where to start, and rightly so as he is not an expert in the field, so will be looking for new proven workable programs to rehabilitate the criminal and reduce crime in the community [we hope] The best place to reduce crime is to rehabilitate the criminal before he/she leaves prison. The existing experts [psychiatrists, psychologists. criminologists sociologists etc] have failed miserably to do that over the last thirty years, even though they have been paid hansomely to do so by every government that has filled the position. Cheers Stiffer laws, more jails do not deter crime http://www.nzcpd.com/soapbox1.htm#KO [full article] Stiffer laws, more jails do nothing to deter crime and can be seen to make things worse. More Crime, leads to more police which leads to more jails which cultivates more criminals, leading to more crime, more police more jails etc.

#15 - Phillip Rex Robinson 2007-06-02 18:54 - (Reply)

You are up in the polls John, but I would not take it personally. Your pseudo-popularity is more to do with being the default choice, because labour have worn out the public's welcome mat. There is plenty of time before the next election for Winston Mc Teeth to smile his way into the hearts of swooning septogenarians. If there's even half an environmental disaster, Green sanctimoniousness could sweep the voters away like a green tsunami. It might not be the picnic you think; even the Maori party might have you for lunch. Forge relationships with all of these as a 'plan b,' especially those who co-operate well as minorities in Parliament. Regarding the law ond order issue, If crime did not pay, fewer would do it. what about a "CRIME DOESN'T PAY" ad. series, featuring a different crook each day. eg. "JOE BLOGSITE HACKER" Fraudster. (TV shows mugshot) Then a little jingle. "On every day, in every way, criminal mugs get put away, That's why crime just does not pay." Finish with a couple of burly cops chucking Joe in the slammer, and throwing away the key. I bet the public would love them.

#16 - faiyaz khan 2007-06-03 11:38 - (Reply)

om law and order i quite agree john, i have been a prison officer for the past 18 years and my god i have seen alot of changes to improve the life of prisoners inside , but beleive me its not working. the billon dollar programme IOMS is a total failure but the department wont addmit it. prisoner are bulling and bashing each other every day and nothing is done about it.every thing is to save money and take short cuts. can give you alot more and fill this page, however 2008 will see national come in and make the changes.

#17 - Brian Powell 2007-06-03 13:28 - (Reply)

Hi John One of the things that i feel you will come to grips with is the way money is being feed out of Work And Income.There seems to be to many people wandering the streets with means and are probally on the doll. People in this catorgary must be accountable and if they do not front up no pay. The drug scene is certainly involved with these type of people. Regards Brian Powell

#17.1 - Bronwyn Gillies 2007-06-05 08:10 - (Reply)

Dear Brian and National Party members, I would like to congratulate you on your drive to improve our wonderful country. For to long now we havve been pandering to the criminals of New Zealand, and in so doing our comunities have become very unsafe. If someone committs a crim against society they should most definielty not be given luxuries, and they should most definitely not be given more power, by the laws protecting them. Aslo why should victims be so afraid of these people, we all live in feer of when they will come back and have another go at us because, everyone panders to them. For victious crimes I believe it is time that we had longer entencing periods, maybe even look at having prisons being built on isolated islands, so that if they do break out the community is not at risk. Keep up the good work you will be getting my vote again.

#18 - Ron Nicholls 2007-06-03 13:51 - (Reply)

Good speech John, just a point. The police can and do work extremely hard to put criminals of every sort in front of the Courts. It seems unfortunate that once that has happened there is no gaurantee that the person will be dealt with apprpriately by the Judge. A slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket seems to be the norm. What can be done about that ?

#19 - Audrey M 2007-06-03 17:06 - (Reply)

Dear John I believe that crime begins at a very young age. We have a number of dysfunctional families who seem unable to control what their kids get up to and what's more - many don't care. The youngsters that get into serious trouble with the law have often started this course of action many years before but until they do something seriously wrong it goes by unnoticed. If parents were made to be more accountable for their offspring's wrongdoings, even of a minor nature, eventually the message would sink in and would save some of these kids from an eventual life of crime. It's really a matter of education - and by that I mean equipping everyone with the tools necessary to become better parents. Parenting is too important to be left to chance.

#19.1 - Kevin Owen said:
2007-06-04 11:23 - (Reply)

Hi Audrey All the criminals to date have had the best experts [psychiatrists, psychologists, criminologists, etc] and programs to help them improve their lives thoughout their criminal history. The real problem is, what is being put forward as helping them has failed miserably. If the so called experts can't rehab the criminal, how would you expect the un-trained parent to do it. Most of the parents that bring these criminals up are in dire straights themselves and have also been through our failed system of rehabilitation at huge expense to the tax payer

#20 - Adrienne N 2007-06-04 11:48 - (Reply)

Most young criminals seem to lack education and I suspect that holds them up when released. Why not a regime where after a third conviction a mandatory 3 year detention term is imposed. The person is then assessed and told that he/she either serves the full 3 years or alternatively will be released on obtaining a NCEA pass. Should the person offend again the requirement would be for a higher educational Qualification or full time served and so on. Should the person assessed be unsuitable for education they should be given training for a Trade and a regime imposed that allows early release after examination in that trade. I suspect that independent assessors would be required so that the system achieves it's required outcomes.

#20.1 - Nathan McCluskey 2007-06-05 08:57 - (Reply)

I agree with Adrienne. Education is the key to lowering crime and as long as there are impediments to education such as lifelong debt, the government is effectively choosing the ambulance at the bottom rather than the barrier at the top of the cliff. Both Labour and National governments are guilty of this. Labour for introducing the system and National for failing to remove it as they promised and watching tertiary fees for legitimate programmes skyrocket through the 90s while PTE's with courses of dubious quality sprung up like weeds. If sound research indicates a correlation between education and law-keeping, surely if any government was serious about reducing crime, they would reduce impediments to continuing education.

#21 - Graeme Fraser 2007-06-05 09:49 - (Reply)

John, Have you read ' Freakanomics"? In that book they proved that the end to the US crime wave that started in the 70's was directly linked to legalising abortion...the birth rate in poor homes dropped as result and feedstock for new criminals dryed up. Yes, we have legalised abortion in NZ, but we also have the DPB, a system that encourages poor mothers to breed. Has there been any reserach done to see if there is a correlation between crime stats and children raised on the DPB?

#22 - M.Nisbet said:
2007-06-05 16:55 - (Reply)

Do you believe that innovative crimefighting strategies a suitable substitute for good old fsashioned discipline ? In schools, at home and especially in the Police force and in our prisons

#23 - Barry Brown 2007-06-06 09:28 - (Reply)

I look forward to hearing more about your crime policies, an area of significant concern to me. I agree absolutely that recidivist violent criminals should not be eligible for parole. These people have a history that clearly demonstrates they do not want to live within a civil society. I also find it absolutely abhorrent that our excessively "PC" rules allow incarcerated criminals civil rights. There should be no civili rights available to any criminal; to sue for compensation of any sort, no rights to welfare benefits, no rights to social services - these are rights that taxpayers contribute to for the benefit of citizens who have fallen on hard times - not those who have created their own hard times. I believe it is not enough to introduce rules that do not allow convicts to benefit from these claims, they should be stopped. This will obviously also save the costs of litigating these matters. Prisoners should, however, be kept in a civil manner and reformation services available as a privelege - not as a right.

#24 - Barry Brown 2007-06-06 09:36 - (Reply)

To offer a reply, not really necessary to identify the commentator - I can accept that more prisons and stiffer sentences may not reduce crime, but it keeps the criminals out of my street! And I am happy to have my tax money spent to keep them out of my street.

#24.1 - Kevin Owen said:
2007-06-07 19:46 - (Reply)

Hi Barry I don't mind being identified and thanks for your comment. You are right it does keep them out of your street [fingers crossed] as long as we can continue to build enough prisons to house them all. I'm not against more prisons and stiffer sentences, but its not going to reduce the crime rate etc as we are locking up more criminals and also letting out more trained criminals, maybe into your street one day. If you rehabilitate the criminal we all win. Just because the existing monoply of failed experts [80% of the countries psychologists] can't do the job, doesn't mean it can't be done and isn't being done at a fraction of what it costs the tax payer today. Cheers

#25 - Jan Harmon said:
2007-06-18 10:16 - (Reply)

One of the most important issues pressing NZ right now is Crime, and punishment of Crime. The justice system is in a real ruck. Kiwi's should be just grateful we don't enforce the death penalty. I am a school teacher, and still not convinced where to place my vote. I am however truly outraged and disgusted at the very short jail terms for cold blooded murderers. The ACT party is probably the only party that comes close to really addressing this.

#26 - Tanya Stebbing said:
2007-06-19 00:25 - (Reply)

Loved your speech, you know what you are talking about and Labour has become so weak and waning, they seem hopeless on all fronts, to me! Their political unwillingness to get stuck into the big issues is saddening and alarming, and they sure have become a bunch of hopeless lame ducks, the crime wave NZ is suffering under is all but out of control, but Labour never comments. And they call themselves the Government, boy, what a sad bunch. I'm sure you and National will landslide it next year, and if you don't, then I'm out of here, and fast!

#26.1 - Bronwyn Gillies 2007-06-19 13:13 - (Reply)

Very Interesting Tanya, I would also like to add further to my previous e-mail. That my family and I as victims, are still waiting after 2 years of my husband being shot, to hear the Coroner's report. Not only has the offender been let off but he continues to this day to carry on hunting, and acts as if he hasn't even taken a persons life. In going through the justice system it appeared to me that we are pandering to offenders, and they are being treated with kid gloves.

#26.1.1 - Tanya said:
2007-06-23 23:40 - (Reply)

Hi Bronwyn Yes, I totally agree, the justice system seems to be there for the benefit of the criminal and the victims are treated as though they should all understand. Just so many recent cases in the media have highlighted this, for example, an innocent little boy bashed and beaten by his parents, and what do they receive? Oh yes, a paltry eight years each, which will no doubt be cut down for four, but I forgot, they didn't actually mean to kill him, oh gee, silly me! This is what happens when we have a bunch of loony socialists in charge, who don't care about right and wrong, as long as they get to implement their sneaky agenda and family-loathing agenda. Sorry about your plight Bridget, and thank goodness that National have some sensible and workable solutions, not just on crime, but on many fronts. Moving Foward with Labour? Yeah, right!

#27 - Tanya said:
2007-06-21 00:18 - (Reply)

Hello again I just wanted to add that I also believe that the Government could well collapse before the next election, it would only take the deflection of one or two more MP's, and lately the smaller Party's have been flexing their collective muscle anyway, and more power to them. What irks me with Labour the most, is that they are neither listening nor doing, their answer seems to be to throw (our taxes!) loads of money at all the problems as if it's all a game of Chance. They also seem to be hell-bent on polluting NZ with political correctness (and lots of it), and where is Cullen's answer to correcting the high dollar? The top brass in the party look worried and scared to me, and will be clutching at straws come next year, to hold on. Every dog as it's day, and the day for Labour is well into the sun-setting stage, and most of it is their own doing. Do Nothing seems to be their motto these days, no wonder the wider electorate is fed up!

#28 - Peet 2007-07-18 10:17 - (Reply)

Hi John My family and I have resided in Auckland for almost two years now as an immigrant. We relocated from a third world, crime invested, corrupted country. We have experienced crime there to a point that we could not see a future for ourselves in that country. We have now accepted this beautiful country as home and we love this place. However, I do have a few serious concerns as we get to grips with the New Zealand socio-political situation. I see the same left-wing notions and outrageous iberal laws being passed by Labour and the Greens, that is causing our land of birth to be destroyed. The over-emphasis of human rights, to the detriment of human responsibilities, is what I want to see changed in New Zealand. Without this, we will go the same route eventually as the country we left behind. This imbalance is, according to my view, mainly the cause of the rise in crime and the lack of mutual respect in society. For me to vote for National next year, I want to SEE a tough stance on crime, a change of the judicial system to favour human responsiblities and let the criminals experience the negative effect of their mindless deeds. I want to see more discipline being brought back to society at all levels: schools, criminal justice system, homes/families and government regardless of the leftest notion that it is politically incorrect. Regards PW

#29 - Mark D 2007-07-18 23:01 - (Reply)

Law & Order A Good direction is being indicated by Your team John. No one answer is the panacea to the current plight we find ourselves in as a country. A determined, planned and sustained effort is what is required. Education, yes those three planks Reading Writing and Artihmetic that give a student of today self respect and dissuade them from a life of crime. More discretion to the Police, excellent comment on the focus of the easy catch - the law abiding citizen doing 112 KPH great statistic for the traffic officer, the ordinaty person will just pay up no court, no unpaid fines, greta stats. What about how that person feels when the same blue uniform seeks their co-operation the next day ? Time Place and Circumstance. The same Time Place & Circumstance discretion could well be applied to the blanket application of Zero tolerance rules. Flavour of the month target enforcement that sweeps up some very good young people and deposits them on the growing heap of young people who have a disgust for the Police. What happened to the once proud organisation that is now lowering recruiting standards and in a state of seige mentality. Labour Politics happened. The jury is out on rehabilitation. Lets start with Education and the proper use of the current resources. After three years living overseas we are home and it is still not too late to turn the Law and Order downslide around in my opinion. Not jackboots and statistics.

#30 - M a r y said:
2010-04-03 17:56 - (Reply)

If the crime rate goes up, it's not because of John Key! its economic times. People should stop winjing.

#30.1 - Kevin Owen said:
2010-04-03 20:43 - (Reply)

That's right Mary, its not because of John Key, as it has been rising for decades, even in the good times before John Key. Those in charge of it [psychiatrists, psychologists, criminologists, socialistists, etc] have failed to handle it and they know it. What john Key has to worry about is they will make him accountable for it as each election goes past until they get him out and get their beloved socialist philosophy back on the road again. At the moment John Key is derailing that and they will winj at every chance they get. Biography "Greg Newbold is an associate professor in the School of Sociology and Anthropology. This paper is taken from his most recent book, 'The Problem of Prisons', which is a comprehensive review of the New Zealand prison system and its litany of failed attempts to rehabilitate criminals."

#31 - Tanya 2010-04-04 16:29 - (Reply)

No, it's lack of accountability, a socialist way of thinking, nothing to do with Key, nothing to do with the economy, just a 'do as I want'attitude.

#32 - Tanya 2010-04-10 07:49 - (Reply)

Whoops, I didn't realise that this thread was a few years out of date! National, please do somethin about the crime issue, it's quite a worry, like a spreading cancer, though I guess the Three Strikes is a start, the problem for me is a lack of Christian values in NZ, today. Kind regards, how the time flies!


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