] SPEECH: Putting Trades and Industry Back Into Our Schools - Rt Hon John Key
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18 June 2007
SPEECH: Putting Trades and Industry Back Into Our Schools

Putting Trades and Industry Back Into Our Schools
Speech to the Employers and Manufacturers Association, Northern



Thank you for this opportunity to speak to you today. My particular thanks go to the Employers and Manufacturers Association Northern which has made this event happen. It's great to be here.

I'd like to acknowledge my parliamentary colleagues, National's Education spokeswoman Katherine Rich, our trade training spokesman Colin King, and the many community and business leaders who are in the audience.

One of those leaders is Deidre Shea, Principal of Onehunga High School. Deidre Shea does a great job keeping a diverse bunch of students excited about school.

If you're a student at Onehunga High and you're interested in cars you can join the automotive course and get stuck-in to resurrecting go-karts, removing and replacing cylinder heads in engines and working with qualified mechanics. At the same time you'll be learning the other literacy and numeracy skills needed for a successful career.

If hammers and nails are of more interest to you, then you can join the Building and Construction School, which might see you building a six-by-three metre mini house, constructing a shelter for the soccer team, or building a house for the IHC.

Some of you might know schools who offer courses like those at Onehunga High. But increasingly, these sorts of courses are the exception rather than the norm.

More commonly, the practical aspect of "technology" training is in decline in our schools. I'm not the only one to have noticed this. The PPTA has said recently that "technology is in crisis across the country". And Business New Zealand agrees with them.

Schools up and down New Zealand are being forced to cancel or reduce their delivery of trades and industry training. That's because in many cases, it's not seen as a vital part of what they should be doing; there's a shortage of technology teachers to provide it, and it's perceived as costly and difficult to provide.

As a result, trades and industry training has been sidelined in too many schools and cut-off from too many kids.

So my speech today will deliver this message: It's time to put hands-on, trades and industry training back into the heart of our school system. National has a vision for doing it and I will be a champion for the cause.

I want all kids to have access to a range of trades and industry programmes at secondary school.

I want to raise the esteem in which trades training is held and I want more young people to raise their self-esteem by doing it.

This will be good for two main reasons.

Firstly, it will help address the shortage of skilled workers in New Zealand.

Our skills shortage is preventing many of you here today from growing your business. It's creating bottlenecks throughout our economy.

For several years now we've experienced skill shortages across a variety of industries including building, metal and machinery, textiles, and many others.

Perversely, just as industry is crying out for skilled workers to fill these positions, businesses report that many school leavers don't have the basic skills needed for their particular industry.

The second reason National wants to revitalise trades training is the sad reality that our high schools are failing to connect with a large number of Kiwi teenagers.

More and more young New Zealanders are opting to leave school early. Around 4,000 each year are leaving before the official leaving age. One-in-five has left by age 16 and two-in-five have left by age 17. When these young people leave school they are becoming lost from learning.

Many of the young people who do stay at school aren't getting much out of it. Their interest in education is strangled by a vicious mixture of boredom and low aspiration.

More than one-in-ten has no formal achievement record for their time at school, 30,000 play hooky each week, and many fail to achieve even basic NCEA literacy and numeracy standards. A horrifying 53% of Maori boys leave without obtaining even NCEA Level One.

Many of these unqualified school leavers end up becoming another negative statistic, alienated from education and not equipped for skilled work. Some might one day want to do an apprenticeship, but won't have the reading and writing skills to start it.

We must do better for these kids.

I believe we can get a lot more young Kiwis interested in school, and achieving more while they're there, if we offer them something practical, and something which might lead to a job they can be passionate about.

We need to do a better job of exposing students early-on to some of the hands-on industries that might fire up their appetite for education, be it; building, horticulture, farming or plumbing. I could go on.

These industries offer people rewarding careers that are high-skill, high-tech and frequently high wage. Skilled workers in these areas add real value to the economy.

To promote these careers we need to do a better job of integrating trade and industry focused learning into our schools. I'm convinced that if we manage to do that we'll also make school more relevant and engaging for the hundreds of students who would rather learn how to weld than study Macbeth.

Students who get interested in hands-on learning options at school are more likely to do well in other parts of their schooling. Kids engaged in a construction course realise, for example, that they have to know some maths to calculate the pitch of a roof.

At Onehunga High you're only allowed to work on the go-kart if you're up to date with your other course requirements. For many students, that's the kind of incentive they need.

Clearly there are very good reasons for putting trades and industry training back into our schools. There are also some pretty straightforward steps we can take to do this.

Technology curriculum and teaching

Today I'm going to talk about a few of the steps that National will take.

First up, we will ensure the technology curriculum puts appropriate emphasis on the importance of hands-on, practical learning opportunities.

The curriculum sends schools important signals about what we want our kids to learn and what skills are valued by our country.

In National's view, the technology curriculum should make it clear that schools should provide students with opportunities to learn practical hands-on skills like metalwork, woodwork, textiles or any of the many skill sets demanded by modern industry.

The new draft technology curriculum doesn't seem to say that. In fact, you must need a PHD in linguistics to work out what it means.

The draft technology curriculum has no reference to actually making things. Instead it talks of students, and I quote, "intervening in the world" and exploring "the characteristics of technology as a field of human enterprise".

I have no idea what that means and I'm sure most students and parents don't either.

Business New Zealand, the Industry Training Federation and teachers surveyed by the PPTA have all expressed a concern that the "academic focus of the curriculum potentially disenfranchises students".

National will fix the technology curriculum by ensuring it contains references to the need for students to make things, build things and produce things.

Secondly, we will take urgent action to respond to the technology teaching crisis.

Schools up and down New Zealand are being forced to cancel or reduce their delivery of trades and skills training, because they can't employ teachers qualified to take the classes.

Men and women who want to be school technology teachers need highly specialised skills in the area they're teaching, and they also need a qualification from a teachers' college.

Even when they meet those requirements, many technology teachers aren't as well paid as their colleagues with degrees.

The result is a critical shortage of people applying for jobs in schools as technology teachers.

To get a feel for the size of the resulting crisis it's worth quoting some of the Principals who responded to last month's school staffing survey. They described the shortage of technology teachers as "a nightmare", "a major problem", "almost impossible", "a significant problem which will get worse, not better", "dire" and "the death knell of the technology learning area".

Schools are doing their best to get around this crisis.

Some offer their students specialist trades courses that aren't run by registered teachers. Instead, they might offer a carpentry course or a horticulture course that's run by a qualified tradesperson, who is good with school students, and might have had experience teaching apprentices or polytech students.

However, these people don't have school teaching qualifications so they can't be hired as teachers per-se. That means the Government doesn't pay their salaries.

Instead, schools pay these tutors themselves out of their operations budget, and from funds raised in the community.

In an ideal world school Principals would like those tutors to go to teachers' college so they could employ them as teachers.

But it's unrealistic to expect qualified and experienced trades specialists to give up their earnings for three years so they can do that. Even people with advanced level trade certificates, who are permitted to teach tertiary level students, are required to complete a one year course to qualify as school technology teachers. Many people just aren't prepared to do that.

Remember these are qualified trades people, and all of you who are trying to get your bathrooms renovated will know that trades people are in high demand.

That is why schools find it so hard to get technology teachers - that is, people who have trade qualifications, but who have also trained as a teacher. Obviously, schools don't want to have to raid their operations funding to hire their own trades tutors, and should rightly be wary of putting any person in front of their students. Teaching is not easy and we need the right people doing it.

There needs to be a middle way here. There needs to be a practical, common-sense solution, because the current situation is just not working.

National is committed to finding a compromise that ensures more Kiwi students are taught trades and skills courses at school. This will require significant steps to increase the pool of people who can teach technology in our schools. National is committed to working with industry and teachers to make it easier for schools to find, pay, and employ people to take their trades and technology classes.

Community partnerships and off-site learning

National is also committed to helping schools overcome the funding and bureaucratic barriers that prevent so many students from accessing trades and industry-based education at school.

We want all students in all secondary schools, in all areas to be able to take part in hands-on learning in a range of industries.

We know that providing top-notch trade and industry training is pretty expensive. It requires specialist equipment, facilities and resources. I don't think we should let that be an excuse for limiting kids' access to hands-on learning opportunities.

As a first step to confronting this, National will encourage local businesses and industry to help provide schools with resources for trades-training. After all, they will ultimately end up reaping the benefits of better trained school leavers.

These resources might come in the form of specialist help from employers who can help with course programmes, offer work experience opportunities for the students, provide in-kind donations of equipment, or targeted sponsorship.

Onehunga High School has provided a good template for how schools can foster these relationships. Their Building and Construction School has been made possible thanks to sponsorship from businesses that want to up-skill the pool of people coming into their industry. Fletcher Construction, Hitachi and an array of other local employers have made valuable contributions, from construction material, to leather aprons, to making their industry knowledge available to the school. Students at Onehunga High take part in trades and industry training both at school and in the workplaces of local employers.

Aparima College in Riverton has also shown how the local community can contribute to schools' trades and industry training efforts. They offer their students boat-building courses that prepare them for work in an important local industry. Their learning programme is enhanced by relationships with Invercargill boat builders Stabicraft, the Boatbuilding ITO and the Southland Institute of Technology.

I want to see more businesses and community organisations helping our schools in this way.

Obviously, the goodwill of the community and industry won't be enough in and of itself. We can't expect every school to have dedicated facilities for all of the industry areas that might interest students. We can't expect for example that every school will have an automotive technology block.

So National will give schools more flexibility to offer their students trades and industry training opportunities outside their school-gates, be it; five hours a week in a textiles course at a nearby school with a specialist trades programme, one day a week in an ITO-approved garage down the road, or eight hours a week on a specialised food safety course at the local polytech or private training establishment.

The Gateway and STAR programmes have shown how this can work, but they are faint lights in an otherwise pretty dark room. These programmes are over-subscribed and provide a limited group of students with mere tastes of practical training.

National will make the off-site learning opportunities of Gateway and STAR a mainstream part of what schools can offer.

We will also encourage more schools to become specialist hubs for trades or industry training that is relevant to local needs. This will require partnerships with industry, local training providers and local employers.

I've already spoken about how Onehunga High has achieved this.

Northland College in Kaikohe have taken a similar approach. They've worked with ITOs, businesses and local community groups to come up with a trades programme that includes hospitality, catering, agriculture and carpentry courses.

To get this programme up and running school leaders have had to think well outside the usual square which the education bureaucracy might have them work in.

One of their initiatives shows just how creative schools can be in responding to student needs.

This month, a group of students from Northland College will finish building two houses on the school grounds. For the last few weeks they've been getting to school at 7.30 and not leaving until five o clock, so that they can get those houses finished. They're supervised by a qualified tradesperson and they're working towards a level four National Certificate in Carpentry – something schools normally aren't allowed to offer. Those students are excited about school and they're on the road to a great career.

What Onehunga High and Northland College are doing is not commonplace.

That's because schools who want to offer these kinds of dedicated trades programmes have to overcome funding issues, administrative complexity, teacher shortages, red tape, and the fearsome demands of the Ministry of Education.

Principals and teachers running innovative trades programmes should not have to spend their lives jumping through bureaucratic hoops. We should make it easier for them and we should celebrate their success.

One way National would make it easier is by funding a select group of schools, who meet certain criteria, to run "Trades Academies".

Trades Academies would be centres of excellence that specialise in providing school students with learning opportunities relevant to a career in trades or industry. These Academies would not only benefit their own students, but could provide courses for students from surrounding schools.

I think that giving these Trades Academies special status and dedicated funding would do a lot to promote pride and excellence in trades and industry training.

School-Based Apprenticeships

All of the ideas I've discussed so far today are about offering all students a wider range of industry and trade training opportunities.

Many of the kids who take part in these courses won't decide what particular career they want to pursue until they leave school. That's fine, the point is to keep them interested, expose them to a range of trades and industry career paths and keep their options open.

But there will always be a few students who know exactly what it is they want to do. I'm talking about kids who've known that they wanted to be a fashion-designer or fire-fighter since they were five-years-old. These students see school as a trial that has to be endured until they're free to pursue their dream.

At age 16 they can sign-up for an apprenticeship in their dream job, but only if they leave school and find an employer who is prepared to take them on.

Why shouldn't those kids be able to kick-start their apprenticeship at school?

Australia has offered students this opportunity with great success. Kids continue to gather credits towards national qualifications and they receive the wrap-around pastoral support offered by schools. The result is that they achieve more at school and complete their apprenticeships faster.

A National Government would pilot a school-based apprenticeship scheme similar to that offered in Australia.

Conclusion

In conclusion, let me restate that National is absolutely committed to addressing New Zealand skills shortage and equipping our future workforce with relevant skills.

We want to fly the flag for trades and industry training in schools.

I am confident that given the right flexibility and incentives schools can drive innovation in this area.

There is a clear need for this. Industry is crying out for better skilled workers. Schools and teachers are hunting for ways to keep students engaged. Students are hungry for more relevant learning opportunities.

But if schools are to do better in this area they'll need more than the backing of a future Government, they'll need the backing of their communities and the backing of industry as well.

So before I sit down, I would ask you all to think about what you or your industry might be able to contribute to this mission.

I am open to your ideas and I'm confident of your support.

I have no doubt that faced with my fresh ideas the naysayers will come out of the woodwork. I invite you to stare them down.

We shouldn't focus on why this is hard, or why it can't be done. We should focus on what we want to achieve and how we can make it happen.

After all, Northland College didn't get its carpentry course going by listing all the reasons it might be hard. They got there by focusing on what was best for their students and working with their community to overcome the obstacles.

They saw a challenge and they rose to it. I know, and you know, that New Zealand is capable of rising to this challenge.

Let's work together to put trades and industry training back into our schools.


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#1 - Peter Millington 2007-06-19 12:27 - (Reply)

It is one of the best Policy recommendations that we have heard.We hope you get support from the Business world.It should give Students a much better start to a working life

#2 - Dave Anderson 2007-06-20 15:01 - (Reply)

This is in fact a good artical, I hope that if you get in to power that you will deliver. I am a technology teacher and have recognised the need for students to gain good practical skills. I have gone away from NCEA as the theory component of NCEA was far beyond the average year 11/12 student. I have this year started to deliver solely unit standards ITO based. My year 11 students have taken to this and most have achieved 10 of the 24 credits I have offered them. If they achieve the 24 credits in engineering skills then they can get a further 16 from any where across the curriculum to gain a National Certificate of Engineering Skills. The ITO has also produce a level 2 course which will allow year 12 students to achieve. This is far more than the ministry has done ever since NCEA was introduced. The NCEA web site for technology has not been updated and most of the exemplars have been there from dot one.

#3 - L Jelley said:
2007-06-21 10:28 - (Reply)

While I applaud Mr Keys' statements on technology teachers and teaching, the other crisis in these departments at secondary schools is class sizes. Our practical rooms are equiped and built to teach 24( and up to 28 students) per lesson. Many of us have over 30 students in classes and up to 34 students. When the room has only 28 plates, seating for 28, physical space etc there are huge stresses put on teachers to try to manage the sharing and safety issues involved. One Principals' solution was "to buy extra equipment" for the others. There was no consideration or understanding of the fact that the students are not sitting still but constantly on the move carrying hot/dangerous equipment..a huge safety issue. Class sizes need to be limited to 24 students in any practical subject. technology students are all on individual programms therefore 24 can be doing 24 different projects. In a 60 minute lesson even this only allows the teacher 2.3 mins per student. teachers are exiting the profession because of this lack of consideration by their principals.

#3.1 - David 2007-06-29 20:38 - (Reply)

Oh you are so right - Adult Teaching Guidelines (and many ITO's use this as a RESTRICTION/MAXIMIM number allowed) is 18 per class - so are they adults? Yes by all accounts - I take my hat off to teachers who have classes of more than 20 - it is not an easy task when teaching practical subjects - hence the Adult Teaching guidelines etc!

#4 - Andrew Atkin 2007-06-23 13:34 - (Reply)

An insight: Someone on your blog commented that he learned more maths on the job than in school. I would like to make an insight in response to that. Generally speaking, I think we learn much more efficiently when we have a direct practical need to learn what we're learning (no surprises - that's how we've been learning for the last several millions years or so!). What's more, the information, when learnt on the job is learnt in the right way - in context. I think that we don't really "know what we know" until we work with what we know in a real (purposeful) way - until then, our education sits on a superficial and somewhat useless level of our brains (probably ready to be forgotten after exam day). A simple example of this principle could be shown in developing your vocabulary. Imagine memorising different words and their meanings to develop your vocab' but without actually applying the words in a real and relevant context. You would find that you still couldn't use your so-called enhanced vocab' because you haven't integrated the words into your cognitive language-system in a real way. If you haven't worked with the words in practice, the new knowledge will be left standing in the middle of neurological no-mans-land, so to speak. I think that "working with = intergration". This is why I think the apprenticeship model (if done right) is so good. Now that we have the internet I reckon nearly all secondary education could move closer to an apprenticeship model - allowing people to learn only what they need to learn (if they want), and learn it properly. Though in saying this I think there is still a lot to be said for isolating immediate professional performance-pressures from critical phases of academic/practical learning. ps: You still haven't got the photo right. I liked the photo best on your rural discussion paper.

#5 - Ed Lister said:
2007-06-29 18:36 - (Reply)

John, some of the best tradesmen came out of the services, i my self learnt and trained in the army at my trade, which is mechanical engineering, i was a member of the royal mechanical engineers corp, and we had a school at waiourou military camp, ans so did other corps, but to many of my time in the services are bewilded that this goverment closed not only the schools but allso disbanded the corps, and combined them with others and called it the logistics regiment, this just enilated the corps completly, after so many years of giving excelent service to the country, and allso serving in my case the repair and maintenance of the armies equipment, by experts, we wonder now why the military cant get trades men into their ranks,

#6 - Max percy 2007-06-29 20:21 - (Reply)

John, wonderful idea to put trades back into the schools. As a suggestion why not use the talent of active retiree ex tradesmen as tutors and mentors. I am sure there are many retiree tradesmen that for very little cost would love to pass on their skills and experience by giving back to their community. A win win situation for all concerned. There is so much untapped talent out there that could be harvested if they were given the opportunity. What was ever wrong with the old system of schools having workshops where students received hands on elementary training in preparation for entering their chosen apprenticeships. It is refreshing to have a political party that is prepared to search for new and better ideas, and seeking input from the public rather than just public servants. John the manner in which you relate to all sectors of the public gives me hope that come the next election you may be able to govern with a large majority or at the very least maybe only requiring the Maori Party support. It is a pity Dr Sharples isn't in the National Party as he has a certain mana about him. Your keynotes are really appreciated. Many thanks Max

#7 - ross mclean 2007-06-29 21:01 - (Reply)

Hi John .. 2 weeks ago I offered my business experiences of over 40yrs free, by way of mentoring, to Birkenhead College .. so far nil response. Maybe schools need to be encouraged to get pro-active in this area? Cheers, Ross McLean

#8 - Barry Dixon 2007-06-29 22:11 - (Reply)

John, My observation is that there is a lack people in parliament with business and trade skills. Put bluntly we are overrun with academics. My other observation is that academics tend to have a tunnel view of the world as compared to trades people who seem to have more lateral vision. WE need both points of view guiding our country. Your speech covers a point of view I challenged Roger Douglas on at a public speech he made shortly after he became minister of finance. It was so tunneled in its vision I challenged him and predicted the decline of trades and apprentices all those years ago to that meeting, I would prefer to have been wrong. His answer was that entriprenours were going to provide for us in the future, they didn't. I compliment you on your lateral vision,you are hitting the right buttons. Press on.

#9 - Wal Gordon 2007-06-30 05:11 - (Reply)

This is all very well, but the problem is not only with the schooling but with the entire apprenticeship scheme. I am a plumber and over the last six years I have taken on four apprentices, but really I don't have any incentive to train more. I get no support from the government at all. I would have at least expected a vist from the ITO to see how things were going but this has never happened. There is no finanicial incentive for me in fact the governments policies are such that it will cost me money once my apprentices finish thier training. This refers to the competency based licencing the government is pushing to introduce which will cost me $2,000.00 per man per year. For me thats $8,000.00 off the bottom line. Add in the extra weeks holidays and thats an additional $2,00.00 per man in lost productivity and charge out. It's tough for small business to find $16,000 to pay for government policy. I would love to continue to train apprentices but what, as a small business owner, will it achieve for my business. Why should I get hit with the costs? Also I fully support Ed Lister. I too have spent time in the army and wonder why good tried and true schemes are disestablished.

#10 - Lee Stanbridge 2007-06-30 06:37 - (Reply)

I hope these plans also incude cooking in schools (as in previous years) - might help with economics & budgeting in their own homes as well as health outcomes. I presume your textiles component covers learning sewing in schools Politicians should learn not to fiddle with what already works.

#11 - Timothy M Hutton 2007-06-30 08:05 - (Reply)

The topic has wide appeal. I am not able to expand here in detail, but I recommend you seriously take into account the following three points: (1) The importance of strengethening "VOCATIONAL GUIDANCE" in schools - which not only identifies the full range of technical occupations - but also qualifications & training required - typical employers and how on entry a school leavers career path may branch. (2) That group of school leaving youth who are forced to leave school due to family circumstances. This would appear a large number and if not accounted for will undermine the effectiveness of technical training schemes introduced. (3) xcxcc

#12 - Sharen Whale 2007-06-30 10:29 - (Reply)

I enjoyed your speech about putting trades back into our schools but I don't think you go far enough. I would also like to see the basics brought back into our schools because without that there is no springboard for a trades curriculem. It has saddened me for many years now, both as an employer and an employee, the number of our adult pupulation that struggle with the educational basics such as reading, writing, and arithmatic.

#13 - Baden Pascoe 2007-06-30 10:51 - (Reply)

Trade Training, It is so good to see a party addressing this issue. It is such a shame that the armed forces have been scaled down over the years as I think these cound have been transformed into trade training environments as well as a defence system in time of need. To go further with this, the forces could have also been an option for at risk youth or youth who have been involved in entry level crime. This correction process could have started with corective training and self discipline programs interlinked with assessment processes then the process linked into a trade traing option.

#14 - Mike Cameron 2007-06-30 11:14 - (Reply)

John, if you really want to improve education, then ensure private schools receive the same funding per student as state schools. then parents who wish to can add additional funding. Over time this will create a more market based education sector. At present differentiating the funding to private schools is inequitable. And while you are about it, it is time you planned to announce dropping both of the top personal tax rates to the new 30% company tax rate. It is ludicrous to administer personal taxes at the level they are above intended company tax - You will not get my vote, nor many like minded folk, until you are bold enough to do this with tax - you still smell too much like a Labour politician for us!!

#15 - Graham Halstead 2007-06-30 12:21 - (Reply)

Shortage of teachers --- Tradespeople don't really want to be fulltime teachers and it takes too long (and expensive and loss of income) to obtain teaching certificate. Suggest employing part-timers from industry and give them say a three week pressure course free and pay them to do the course. It has to be financially worthwhile to become a full time or part time teacher. Bring the trades back to secondary schools. Half the students have no interest in Shakespeare etc. Let them learn what they want to learn.

#16 - Ian Mitchell 2007-06-30 15:20 - (Reply)

Some time ago I heard a tradesman on talkback radio who had trained a number of apprentices and was bemoaning the fact that he was getting apprentices with trade credits from their secondary school but could not read write or add basic mathematics in their head. Three basic skills for a tradesman. Please ensure you do not overlook the basics with what ever you do and remember a tutor will not have the time to keep up with the technology that is entering these trades every day

#17 - Mike Symes 2007-06-30 15:46 - (Reply)

Hi John, There are 2 points I wish to make. These are very pertinent to your article. 1/- My son is 20 and is just finishing a Cheffing apprenticeship he started in 2005.The apprenticeship also included the payment of the Chef Course at CPIT.I believe apprenticeships are vital for this country. They teach aptitude, application and experience. It is far better to subsidise or pay for authorised/qualified apprentices than subsidise Tertiary Studies with no hope of work. 2/- I work in the Broadcast area and cannot understand how money is being spent by so many students on Courses most of which have not been industry approved since before 2000. Who administers the Courses, is it NZQA or ATTTO, it seems neither are very interested. There are so many students paying good money and not learning Industry tools who cannot find work. Ten years ago we had 5 Production houses in Christchurch, the yellow pages lists 42 and there are at least 16 unlisted. All fighting for the same dollar. Why, its simple they cant get jobs in the established industry because they cant contribute or require retraining to contribute to the industry. This is an example of Bums on seats making money to a few rich people with no thought to the students. I have written trade papers, supported by the Industry, covering this area. We all feel it is the industry that drives the education area not the other way round. Again we need apprenticeships to learn from our very talented people who have done their time. I can write more and have done so. Keep up the great work. I also have a contribution of ideas on Superanuation etc which I believe will work....Gerry Brownlie is my MP, I would like to put these ideas to him. Cheers.

#18 - Trevor Wilson 2007-06-30 16:39 - (Reply)

Hi John I believe a significant number are eyeing National to gauge whether they will address the massive current swing toward a value that 'Government organisations do it best'. I do not believe schools are the best vehicle to develop young adults for industry. We have a large number of Private Training Establishments who do carry this DNA and are already producing high outcomes, but funding growth is impossible. An infrastructure exists and could readily be developed further.

#19 - Kevin Owen said:
2007-06-30 18:20 - (Reply)

Our education system is failing many of our kids. Much of the material they study, they will have no use for in the real world. Bringing back trades will go along way. We have to also weed out the so called experts that have been advising governments etc over the last thirty years creating the sub-stardard education system we have at the moment

#20 - Mike Simm 2007-06-30 19:27 - (Reply)

Good stuff John, However dont get too carried away with Gateway yet. There is a huge budget there that is only doing half the job. We need to take that money and reassess how it can be better used in delivering enterprise education - making education in schools more relevant. Not just taking the naughty kids out on a field trip, but rather showing them a career path that is aligned to their interests and skills. It is working in many schools in Northland and we just need someone to lead the MoE into this new way of teaching the curriculum!

#21 - Malcolm Hine 2007-07-01 12:28 - (Reply)

Having two members of the family in the teaching profession I know they would both be in agreement, as I am, with your comments on the need for apprenticeships in the 'hands on' trades. However, they both say that these courses must start around the 14 year age group, as this is the age when they seem to decide that they are no longer interested in 'readin' writin' and 'rifmatic' and become disruptive to the rest of the class that are. There is also the problem of the size of some of these lads, many by now being bigger than the teachers and willing to challenge any attempts at discipline. I think most mothers would appreciate their sons being able to complete simple household tasks, such as fitting a tap washer, electric plug or adjusting a cistern overflow, which at present seems beyound some 20 year olds.

#22 - B Kerr 2007-07-01 13:40 - (Reply)

Dear John, Thank goodness for a bit of common sense. The demise of the old trade training in schools and apprenticeshp training schemes has been a disaster and the push for all to be academics not at all practical so puttting some substance to the training in practical skills is so good. However, as one who had a good deal of experience in training young folk, there are some other issues to consider. One is the true cost to an employer as they train these people. Even a token recognition or incentive there could leaven that lump. Machinery and equipment used is costly as are repairs. Current compliance costs and demands from OSH and similar beauracratic entities with the ridiculous amount of paperwork ,is a deterent for any employer to wish to train anyone in many practical situations . Even schools must be hamstrung by this paperwar contributing a good deal of the cost structure of practical courses. Surely that time money would be better used to pay tutors and equip the classrooms. Your plans are commendable, good strength to your arm.

#23 - B Harkness 2007-07-02 00:47 - (Reply)

Hi John, Great to hear you emphasising the importance of technology education in the current school system and I commend your commitment to move forward. There are some fantastic programs happening in many schools and the current government has made some inroads but in my opinion, many of the jigsaw pieces are still missing. I have recently returned to work as an Engineer after 7 years teaching technology, 4 as HOD in a challenging school where our team pushed to build trade type courses with links with Ito’s and local businesses. The primary reason for this approach (as I suggest many other schools have decided) was that it engaged a broader range of student interest and abilities (compared with NCEA equivalent) and it gave them a clear pathway to a vocation with skill shortages, if they chose to continue after leaving school. Students seem to learn more effectively if their learning objectives are integrated with their areas of interest. The problem with Technology in schools is multifaceted. Firstly, the previous curriculum introduced a push for a more academic approach to the subject - one where students, in most cases were not required to produce anything except a conceptual design. The experience of many schools over the ensuing decade or so is that it better suited academic students and/or girls. Another problem is with terminology. I believe that through the emergence of new technology areas such as Information Technology or Biotechnology, and the almost exclusive use of the term Technology in education circles, terms such as technical, trade, apprenticeship and others don't have positive connotations with students, teachers and more particularly, parents. I was not pressured but saw the pride first hand when I became the only grandchild in my generation to achieve a bachelors degree. Some students face enormous pressure, particularly when parents are ill-informed. I also believe schools provide many barriers internally and indirectly via government requirements. They are required by the government to report publicly on credits gained and are contrasted with the performance of other schools. Currently the NQ framework is also not a level playing field, with many school trade programs being forced to accept fewer credits as a reasonable outcome for the same hours studied. Schools are also generally under funded and therefore it takes a committed board or principal with an active interest in technology to over-allocate resources for purchase and repair of equipment, materials, facilities and support staff. The pay and training issue with trade staff is no incentive and the rise in student misbehaviour has further weeded out the staff (technology included) who were not there for reasons that would last the distance. It’s undoubtedly a rewarding job, particularly for myself seeing many otherwise difficult students achieve in technical areas, but it is also tiring at any level, constantly fighting the tide. Kia Kaha.

#23.1 - Nathan McCluskey 2007-07-02 08:47 - (Reply)

If we are to prevent a fast evaporating pool of technical trade teachers in schools, the current system whereby such teachers are required to have a degree, a trade certificate and teacher training (rather than the old system which allowed trade certificates to substitute degrees) will need to change otherwise arguments about the quality of these programmes in schools will be moot points.

#24 - Anne Fulton 2007-07-02 09:01 - (Reply)

Great and long-overdue initiative! As a careers adviser in private practise, we see a lot of young people frustrated by the lack of appropriate course options for them at senior level and at risk of dropping out altogether when trades training would be perfect for them. We also see employers crying out for qualified staff. These intiatives will be a great start to correcting some imbalances in the labour market created over the last 15 years.

#25 - Andrew Atkin 2007-07-02 10:01 - (Reply)

Hello, I notice you said on an interview that it was a myth that National neglected trades-training in the 90's. Maybe National could make a new page called "Myths about National" or something like that. Personally, nothing irrtates me more than misinformation - if there are myths being spread, then people need to know about them.

#26 - Ron Daly said:
2007-07-02 14:38 - (Reply)

Your latest newsletter raises two subjects dear to my heart. As an Engineering teacher back in the 10's and 80's I made a decision to jump out of teaching when the new "Workshop Technology" syllabus was being formulated and I was told that cutting a screw thread was an unecessary skill, rather to be replaced with 'alternative materials'. I made the comment at the time that NZ must be going to need a lot of bone carvers and leather workers going into the new century. At least back then, with an Advanced Trade Certificate and a year's teacher training I was entitled to sit on the same salary band as a three year degree. No, I won't be lining up to go back teaching, even with the burning need for teahcers. Your other comment re Trade Training is also of interest, having tutored apprentices in the past and now setting up and running the TradeStart Programme for Hutt City Council. Come out and see us some time, you may find it of interest. If you want more apprentices their is a real possibility of genuinely increasing actual numbers (rather than the Governments' 'smoke and mirror' figures on Modern Apprenticeships) by diverting some money from ITOs support for Modern Apprentices which is cream to their budgets to giving money in hand to employers for traning an apprentice. An apprentice today is a 'burden' to employers, so until they get something to make it 'woth their while' apprentice numbers are not going to get to the level that NZ desperately needs

#27 - Roy B 2007-07-03 12:33 - (Reply)

I am an honours-level student at university, and have tutored for the last two years in management, and more recently first-level politics. While I hold strong reservations about the effectiveness of NCEA for preparing students for either work or further study, I think that this *broad* *policy* makes several positive steps. This is also because many of our first-year and second-year (at uni) *kids* do not have firm direction or goals. In some respects, this is because the range of possibilities in today’s economy vastly outnumber those of yesterday’s economy. It is also quite possible that our young people are forced to make their decisions too early, without the experience of an after-school job or other life experiences to help them decide on a career path. Incentives to work while studying at tertiary level provide greater flexibility to many employers, and early career networks for those students. An earlier thread (regarding the BASICS that we expect people to learn at secondary school) on mathematical literacy is quite true, and concerning. While this is one of several elements that is pretty damning for NCEA's effectiveness/consistency, it does highlight another characteristic that has not received adequate consideration. There are some areas where a greater gap (between secondary school and university) is actually desirable. We expect a common-foundation of areas of mathematical, english, scientific and technological literacy from our secondary schools. Beyond this, a differentiation between different tertiary institutions is desirable between trades and higher-level institutions. By providing *opportunities* *at* *school* for an introduction to an interest in trades-based professions, we will give our students’ greater opportunities for developing personal direction in their lives. Hopefully this interest will appropriately balance the flexibility that students’ have in their likely need to change careers throughout their lifetime, while providing a necessary specialisation for their first jobs. Our universities are heading down the toilet (compared to many international universities), largely because they have too much pressure on them given their possible resourcing for the number of students that they are forced to accommodate while remaining competitive with other NZ universities. Until there are funding incentives changed, our polytechnics will continue to strive to achieve university status and our universities will strive to get bums on seats to capture most of the government funding at the expense of quality. We expect a generalist education at school, and a somewhat more focussed education at university/trade school. One cultural difficulty that we have is the view that our parents hold, which compels their kids to go to university when they do not have a firm goal or understanding of where THEY (the student) want to go with their life and careers. This has also induced rapidly rising wages in the trades-sector through a shortage of young people entering these professions. In Closing: There seems to be great potential in these ideas, which can obviously only be *broadly* *outlined* at this point in the electoral cycle. While there are traditional difficulties with the support from many of these constituencies (in the trade sectors), I am hearing many of these people crying out about the tax and red-tape burdens that this government has shackled them with. The broad ideas outlined in this speech will also provide the foundations for providing a more stable base to many of the supporting firms for our exporters of world class products.

#28 - Katrina Mora 2007-07-03 19:13 - (Reply)

We have a residential construction company. My partner felt as a builder he would like to contribute something back into the community by training apprentices. He relates well to people and likes a quality job done. The big hurdle in this has been young peoples attitudes. The last three apprentices have all ended up with court appearances which result in part of their wages each week being directed to the courts for fines for everything from assault to driving offences, this increases our admin work load. They all seem tho think nothing of it and that this is just normal for everyone!!!! Also there is the point of them not feeling any obligation to turn up on time to the point where the last one upon being fired after many many warnings and not having completed one 40 hour week in six months turn around and said 'why should I turn up on time, it has nothing to do with you I am not your Bit....'(censored) They have cost us a lot of money in lost productivity and down time. These types of attitudes really serve as a dissincentive to employ young people in an apprentiship. We are how ever giving it a go one more time with a 30 year old hoping maturity will pervail. So whilst the technology training in school is important, they also need life skills training on how to respect other people and who the boss is. otherwise we will still be no better off.

#29 - Donald Robertson 2007-07-06 11:13 - (Reply)

It would certainly be great to have suficient home grown talent that it would no longer be necessary to import the country's skilled tradesmen However, much earlier in the school curriculum. probably in the maths class, students should be introduced to cash management. This is a skill essential to all these days and lack of it, particularly among those with lower incomes contributes to poverty. Money problems are also cited as one of the major causes of family violence. Most of us do not have inbuilt sense of how to manage cash flow. I know it would have been a great help to me to have learned how to manage what money I had early on in life.

#30 - Edward Guy 2007-07-16 12:40 - (Reply)

Hi John As an employer of professional engineers we are really suffering for human resources. I believe incentives could be provided at tertiary levels to encourage more participation in engineering and other skill shortage areas. Obviously investment in facilities would be required also. The government also needs a 50-100 year plan to define what our economic direction is and to supply skills to support the plan. Again incentives now could supply those skills if managed appropriately. As an aside there has been discussion on teacher shortages. Students with exceptional academic ability, fit the psychological profile for teaching and have large students debts should be targeted for short term (2-3yrs) secondary teaching. There is no reason why these kids can't teach. There is no reason why this couldn't be made into a sought after post university position with the incentives being fast tracked debt reduction and positive aspect of providing a national service. I have the feeling young people are gaining a sense of belonging and national pride. Edward Guy

#31 - Chris Willy said:
2007-07-16 20:36 - (Reply)

National's interest in promoting hands on education is not only a breath of fresh air, but will I trust one day bring hope to our many semi- literate and semi-innumerate who crave to get stuck in and do something they can achieve. Nothing succeeds like success. My experience here as compared to Ontario where all needs, academic and the less academic were catered for with excellent technical shop facilities, and virtually every pupil graduated at what we would call Level 1, 2 or 3 made for a society in which former pupils did not have to tag the town, for in their bedrooms was hung a shool exit certificate to signed by the principal that said they were achievers. Chris

#32 - Ross Calverley 2007-07-28 00:39 - (Reply)

Although change is needed in the NCEA system especially with clearer, less wafflely language, students are confused about it all because it seems to be changing all the time and it was not fully explained to them in the first place. I feel in the hands on subjects more hands on work is needed, but what effect will this have on the academic subjects. All students should leave school with a basic understanding of numbers and language however many are not. Is increasing hands on subjects going to teach basic numeracy and literacy?

#33 - Jenny Collins 2007-12-01 23:03 - (Reply)

I don't see anyway in your addresses about meeting the needs of children with special learning needs. It has been the case that our son has been mainstreamed with children his own age which is important and under the current government he receives additional help via teaher aides and various other programmes run in the school. What is National going to do to address the learning needs of children with learning difficulties?

#34 - Maurice Boyd 2008-02-05 09:36 - (Reply)

Hi John It is wonderful to see a drive back to technology education in schools. I note the eagerness to see employment of technology teachers and provision within schools of equipment and technology that is often specialised and expensive. In all of the cities and some of the major towns there are already well established training institutions with good technology, skilled teaching staff, and strong industry relationships. I refer to the Polytechnics. Why are the schools not taking advantage of the huge resources that Polytechnics offer? The proposal seams to be to duplicate the services and facilities already available in Polytechnics. Why is their no requirement for a closer relationship between the colleges and polytechnics? Students can complete unit standards in a trade while attending college and then seamlessly progress to full pre-trade programes at the polytechnic and then into apprenticeships with ITO's. The issue seams to be money. Someone has to pay the Polytechnic for the training they will provide. Your Government could deal with this very quickly.

#35 - Anna Treadaway 2008-03-15 11:53 - (Reply)

I had a brief skim read over the above. I think your strategies make a lot of sense. Their is a direct link to failure in our schools to provide relevant education to our youth, particularly boys, and the problems we are currently experiencing with youth. My own son did wood technology at school but as he is dyslexic he could not complete the theory component necessary prior to doing any practical work. He achieved nothing all year in that class, all he brought home was a piece of scrap wood from the bin with a nail through the end. Yet he is a good boy. What failed him was the technology curriculum and an inadequate teacher. The media seem to be blaming me - the parent - but honestly short of going to school with my kids and attending classes with them I have done everything I can. Schools must be improved in how they deliver and you will find the youth crisis will improve along with it. Thanks.


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