25 June. John talks with KiwiFM presenter Wammo about the 'smacking' referendum. Wammo fronts a number of objections to the referendum, including a contention that many of the signers of the petition calling for the referendum did so out of ignorance about the law. John explains that the real issue is democracy in action - and that the attempt by the Government to postpone the referendum until after the General Election is an act of arrogance. John and Wammo then talk about National's positions on student loans and KiwiSaver.

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