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26 February 2010
Address to North Shore Grey Power

Thank you for inviting me to speak here on the North Shore.

I'd like to start by acknowledging the huge contribution older people make to society in every walk of life: as grandparents, friends, colleagues and as mentors to the younger generations.

Your organisation, Grey Power, has a long history of standing up for the interests of older New Zealanders.

I appreciate the good relationship Grey Power has with the government. A number of ministers meet with Grey Power regularly, and I know that the Minister for Senior Citizens, John Carter, speaks to Grey Power meetings on a frequent basis.

We have had a very busy year-and-a-half as the Government.

As well as getting New Zealand through the global economic and financial crisis in as good a shape as possible, the government was committed to advancing our election policies and keeping our word to the voters who placed their trust in us.

The vast majority of our election polices have already been implemented, or are well on their way.

In Health, for example, we have delivered an additional 11,805 elective operations - a record annual increase. We have funded a 24-hour Plunketline and a 12-month course of Herceptin. We have increased the number of doctors being trained and introduced a new voluntary bonding scheme to encourage health professionals to stay here in New Zealand.

In Law and Order, we have passed new laws to toughen sentences and restrict bail for violent offenders, improve police powers, crack down on gangs and support  victims of crime. We have provided funding for an additional 600 frontline police, and we've given the police new tools to go after criminals, including 720 tasers and the power to DNA-test offenders arrested for imprisonable offences. We've passed legislation to deal with boy racers and we've launched a crackdown on the drug P which is already resulting in increased seizures, lab busts and prosecutions.  And we have legislation before the House to strengthen New Zealand's parole laws.

In Education, we have legislated for and designed National Standards in literacy and numeracy for Year 1-8 children. We have invested in a 21st Century Building Plan to build new schools and improve existing ones. We have increased the options for secondary-age students outside the traditional school system by progressing our Youth Guarantee and Trades in Schools policies.

We have also completed the first stage of Resource Management Act reforms, taken decisive action to sort out the electricity sector and have put red tape under the microscope, undertaking reviews of 14 major pieces of legislation.

We confirmed an unprecedented $7.5 billion of new spending to invest in much-needed infrastructure and unclog New Zealand's economic arteries.

As a government we have done what we were elected to do and we have kept our promises.

I want to take some time today to talk about tax. This is an issue that Grey Power members, and older people more generally, are interested in, and understandably have some concerns about.

Before I get onto that subject, however, I'd like to make a few comments about New Zealand Superannuation.

My cast-iron commitment has always been that the government will maintain payments linked to 66 per cent of the after-tax average wage, and people will continue to be eligible for Superannuation when they reach the age of 65.

Future funding at this level is locked into the government's long-term spending path and is reflected in all of the government's accounts including projections far into the future.

That will continue to be the case no matter what our political opponents say.

Moreover, our opponents appear to have missed a vitally important point.

What enables the government to keep paying Superannuation far into the future, despite an ageing population, is a healthy, growing economy, with a budget in surplus and low government debt.

That is why this government's focus has squarely been on limiting the effects of the global recession, putting in place measures to grow the economy in the future, and getting the government's finances into a sound position.

When we came into office late in 2008, the Treasury was predicting that government debt would spiral out of control in future decades. With sound management, this Government is keeping debt under control.

Only a government which has debt under control will be able to pay for Superannuation, as well as health care, law and order and everything else, in 2025.

So I would be very suspicious, if I were you, of any party that seeks to ramp up government spending by borrowing lots of money.

I now want to talk about tax.

As you may know, the government is currently considering a package of tax measures, where some taxes would go up and others would go down.

Overall, we are not trying to increase taxes, but to get a better mix of taxes.

We have had an expert, independent team called the Tax Working Group looking at the tax system for the last eight months. Their advice is that the mix of taxes in New Zealand is not ideal - in fact, far from it.

So the Government wants to make some changes to the mix of taxes.

That is for a number of reasons.

First, we want to encourage people to save, invest their money in productive businesses, and get a good return for that investment. One particular problem we have in New Zealand is that too much of our investment is in property and that is in part because of our tax rules.

Second, we want to increase the incentives for people to work hard, improve their skills and get ahead here in New Zealand. We don't want young New Zealanders feeling they have to go to Australia, or further abroad, to make a better life for themselves. Some of you will have children or grandchildren living in Sydney or London and you'll know exactly what I mean.

And third, we want a tax system which is widely regarded by New Zealanders as fair and reasonable, and which limits the opportunities some people have to rearrange their affairs to pay less tax. In other words, we want people to pay their fair share of tax, not duck and dive to avoid it.

The Tax Working Group discussed a lot of different options for changing the tax system.

Some of these the Government won't be taking forward.

We are not, for example, going to progress any ideas for a new land tax.

A big reason for that is the effect a land tax would have on older New Zealanders, who might well own the section their house is on, but have no ability to pay an extra tax. That would be unfair.

We are also not going to progress any ideas for a comprehensive capital gains tax.

However, the Government does believe there is a gap in the current tax system around property investments.

Property has been a very popular investment for New Zealanders.

Overall, New Zealanders have around $200 billion invested in rental properties - nearly four times the size of the entire New Zealand share market.

People are obviously getting a financial benefit from investing in rental property but, overall, no tax is actually being paid. In fact, in this sector the government is giving more money back through tax losses than it receives in actual tax payments.

In contrast, those people who have their savings in a term deposit at the bank, are all paying tax on the interest they earn, at up to 38 cents in the dollar.

Over-investment in rental property has also been a factor in driving up house prices, making it really tough for young people to buy their first house.

The Government will therefore be making some changes to the way property is taxed. Those changes will result in increased government revenue and more fairness for taxpayers. We will announce them in the Budget in May.

As part of the overall package of tax measures, the Government is also considering an increase in the rate of GST to 15 percent, together with a reduction in personal income taxes across the board, and up-front increases in benefits, New Zealand Superannuation, and Working for Families payments.

What would be the effect of this tax switch?

The immediate effect would be that prices would rise by just over 2 percent but at the same time people would have more money in their pockets, through income tax cuts and increases in benefits, Super, and Working for Families.

As a government, we are working to ensure the extra money in people's pockets would be greater than the increase in prices. If we can't ensure that happens for the vast bulk of New Zealanders, we won't be increasing GST.

Let me tell you how that compensation would work for Superannuitants.

As part of a tax switch, Superannuitants would get an increase in income through two completely separate channels. I think of that as a "double-whammy" increase.

First, Superannuitants would get an income tax cut, which would apply both to Superannuation payments and to any other income they receive, for example from interest, dividends or part time work. It is important to remember that Super, unlike other forms of income support, is legislated on a gross basis, so a tax cut means that Super payments have to go up.

Second, and in addition to their tax cut, Superannuation payments would be increased up front, by just over 2 percent, to reflect the general rise in prices. What I mean by ‘up front' is that the increase in Super payments would be immediate from the day GST went up, without waiting for the usual annual inflation adjustment.

This double-whammy increase means that under an income tax/GST switch, Superannuitants would have their incomes lifted quite significantly, and by an amount that exceeds the increase in prices.

In addition to this, the floor for Superannuation payments would rise, because across-the-board tax cuts will increase the after-tax average wage. Super payments for a married couple cannot drop below 66 percent of the after-tax average wage, so any tax cut that affects the average wage will also affect this floor for Super.

So, when people talk about GST you should bear in mind these different means of compensation, which together are quite substantial.

Earlier I talked about the immediate effect of a tax switch between GST and income tax. I now want to briefly discuss the longer term effects on the economy.

Switching GST and income tax is not simply a money-go-round, as some commentators have mistakenly assumed.

Reducing personal income taxes, together with an increase in GST, in fact gives people more choices.

Take a young couple whose take-home income goes up as the result of an income tax cut. They can use that increased income to save, or pay off a mortgage, and they are not taxed on it. GST is a tax on spending, not on saving.

In addition, when the couple do save money, and earn interest or dividends on their investments, they will get to keep more in the hand, because of the cut in income taxes. These cuts will make a difference.  For example, a reduction in the second-highest tax rate from 33 percent to 30 percent would represent around a 4.5 percent increase in the return to savers. That sort of increase is an additional reason to favour saving over spending.

Furthermore, because each person's tax rate has gone down, they have a better incentive to work hard, do some more hours, seek a promotion, or up-skill themselves, and do all that here in New Zealand, because they get to keep more of any extra money they earn.

For all these reasons, a tax switch would encourage savings and investment, help increase economic performance, and give young Kiwis a reason to stay here in New Zealand.

There's one more thing I'd like to say about tax, and about GST in particular.

On Sunday Phil Goff starts his two week bus tour of New Zealand to campaign against a rise in GST, and he says he'll drop in on Grey Power along the way.

I hope he does.

Because while he's visiting you could ask him whether he is going to campaign in 2011 on lowering your Super payments, taxing you more on the interest you get from the bank, while also lowering GST. I bet he doesn't.

And you could ask why, when Labour was in government, Phil Goff, Annette King and Trevor Mallard all voted to increase GST to 12.5 percent with no compensation at all for low income workers, beneficiaries, or Superannuitants.

How they can launch an anti-GST campaign after that is beyond me. That's opposition politics I guess, but it's rather hollow and hypocritical.

Can I say in conclusion that the Government is committed to a number of things.

We are committed to lifting the long-term performance of the economy, to making New Zealand a more prosperous country capable of providing well-paid jobs and a better standard of living for everyone.

We are committed to providing the world-class public services needed to give opportunity and security to New Zealanders and their families.

We are committed to making New Zealand a place where your children and grandchildren want to live, work and raise their own families.

We are committed to maintaining Superannuation payments linked to 66 percent of the after-tax average wage, and from age 65 onwards.

We are committed to a better mix of taxes and a tax system where people pay their fair share.

As a result, New Zealand will be a better place to live, work, invest, grow up and retire.

There can be no greater outcome than that.

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#1 - Peter Hancox 2010-02-26 19:29 - (Reply)

I worked hard all my life, paid top rates of taxes, saved hard for retirement and retired at 60, I am now 61. Raising GST to 15% will hit me hard, I'm still 4 years away from super with little taxable income. It would seem that I will gain little from your shift in tax, only pain.

#2 - David Beerworth 2010-02-26 20:16 - (Reply)

If the GST is to be raised to 15% then it is time to change how GST is collected. It should not be payable on levies or taxes. On car registration, for example, it should not be payable on ACC levies which are financial transactions and I thought exempt from GST. Similarly with excise duty and road taxes on fuels, these should not incur GST. In my view basic food items , bread, milk etc should not be subject to GST

#2.1 - Kenneth Taylor said:
2010-02-27 13:30 - (Reply)

Sir, I cannot see why this government is fudging on placing a capital gains tax on all investment property? This in itself will - at the very least - stabilize property values, making other more beneficial forms of investment attractive. In addition, we hear the constant lamentations about the general lack of savings, yet we are taxed on the very first dollar and in spite of any lowering of the tax rate, it remains a huge disincentive, particularly for any young couple trying to save the deposit on their first home. Even a token moratorium on the first $1.000 would be an incentive with a proviso that it could be lost if cashed within a certain time period.

#3 - Bryan Frost 2010-02-26 20:41 - (Reply)

Yes your comments relatimg GST increases to reduced tax make sense-at least as you have portrayed them. What about: tax deductions on insurance premiums;less excise or other duties on fuel;and much more tax on tobacco;increasing the drinking age and the driving age;ensuring no-one drives without proper education.We may look to fewer road deaths.??!!

#4 - Margaret Potter 2010-02-26 21:17 - (Reply)

I have read with interest you newsletters. I have been very impressed with what the National party is trying to do. I used to be a member of the party some years ago but when the national party brought in their 'claw back ' policy I resigned. We had saved for years when others had frittered away their money on extra cars and big homes and we were penalised for it.Also as part of my super is payed by the UK I had a really hard job sorting out the tax for the year as I receiThank you for listening.ved a different amount each month. My biggest worry is that you will do the same thing again. I don't mind coping with a higher GST though I do wish it wasn't on essential foods. If other countries can cope with that surely we can.

#5 - G and M Shaw 2010-02-26 23:35 - (Reply)

I believe you have totally missed the big picture, the increase in GST will out strip all of any tax cut you are offering, GST is a dual tax, which compounds on it self, from manufacturer, to wholesaler, to retailer to consumer. The every day families like mine, whom try so hard to have healthy food, exercise and family entertainment, have been hit the most, and this Tax cut will not compensate for the GST increase, when one's income is lost or decreased because there is no work for the self employed or the Banks are down sizing to make more profit, the GST is still payable to survive, do we stop eating? I guess the every day family is Not where you are looking.

#6 - Sheila Eddy 2010-02-27 08:36 - (Reply)

The only thing that worries me about the increase on GST is that it will apply to basic items like food. So any increase in income due to tax cuts will be lost, surely it would be fairer to decrease GST on food items to 10%, whilst increasing GST on "luxury" items to 15% or even 20% to compensate for lower GST on food. In UK the GST is 17.5%, so overall increase to 15% is not too bad, just concerned about the food.

#7 - Colin Bull 2010-02-27 09:10 - (Reply)

What happened about the idea of catching up with Australian's standard of living? GST in Australia is 10%. We should be lowering GST to 10% not raising it to 15%.

#8 - John Burgess 2010-02-27 10:57 - (Reply)

I remain puzzled as to why successive governments have decried NZ'ers lack of saving yet continue to tax savers on the interest they earn. What a disincentive to save!For that reason financially astute persons put their savings into non taxable items such as property and we have seen the distortions that causes in the wider economic scene. To this simple mind, if savers were not taxed until they spend their savings, or remit funds overseas, there would be a far greater personal and national benefit. Where is the logical or fiscal fault in this suggestion?

#9 - RJM 2010-02-28 20:28 - (Reply)

Invest money in NZ is a great idea I was doing that, however the tax on investments is a real put off, more so if the in investment goes belly up, capital is lost, but our tax hungry government keeps the tax paid on the investment. End result the investor looses capital & interest if compounded, but the government keeps the tax paid. I wonder how many in the ranks of the retired would like to at least retrieve the tax they paid on failed investments. A fair tax system, wait & see. RJM

#10 - John Cliffe 2010-03-01 15:13 - (Reply)

Fairer tax system and a savings encouragement from a GST increase? You have got to be joking. Do not take away 2.5% of all saver's money value and claim you are making a fairer tax system. Those savings where also achieved when higher income tax levels prevailed. Increasing GST also effectively is a 2.5% gift to all property owner as the replacement cost of housing just goes up another 2.5%.through the tax increase. Given the events of the last 10 years when we have had rampant property inflation, and widespread tax avoidance via property structuring this is a near criminal step by the Government. If the Government needs more revenue impose a 1% stamp duty on all property transfers. If the IRD cannot cannot bring a capital gains tax in quickly, use stamp duty. Easy to do, collects more than the GST increase at a 1% level and hits the sector that has had all the gains. Do not hit the poor, the low income earners, the people who have saved or who have nest eggs such as the elderly. It is grossly unfair to hit them. The tax concessions more favour exactly the people who have benefitted from the property bubble over the last years. Increasing GST makes NZ a higher cost economy, less attractive to tourism and less competitive. It especially hits firms that employ labour, and of course it makes us even less like Australia which has a 10% GST tax. A GST increase is grossly unfair. The academics on the tax working group were incompotent and bias in their poor recommendations.

#11 - shelley 2010-04-10 20:19 - (Reply)

What is this going to do for me. Are you going to reduce interest rates as well. Me and my husband are just above minimum wage with no children. How is this going to help us. Another 2% hike - where are we supposed to get this money when we are lucky to have a job. We both work for small companies. You want us to try and save - we cannot afford Kiwisaver - although we would love to buy into this. and now you want to put up GST - another price hike. Are you going to reduce diesel tax on smaller vehicles. 2 tonne ute or car using diesel using the roads is really crippling us. We are the type of people that don't drive our vehicles if they are not registered or warranted or have diesel mileage.

#12 - Bill Newbury 2010-04-13 08:23 - (Reply)

Sir Are you and your government going to correct the Abuse that pensioners who were enticed to come to New Zealand in the 60s. with lovely adverts stating that we would be eligible for a full New Zealand pension, after we had worked here for 10-20 years before our 65 birthday. This was a down right lie, we were only told of a top up when we qualified for the pension. Now we have stolen from us an average of over $100 a week by a greedy avericious government. Please right this wrong


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